PrimoI don't know what to do. My dad doesn't want her to go to the ER.
- Things are still awful this morning. She has to be lifted in and out of the potty chair (and my dad has been doing it, because I'm afraid to). She needs to be in the hospital.
- Me
Can you get her to her PCP today instead of tomorrow?
It sure does sound like she should be in a rehab center
They usually won't let you leave the hospital if you can't get to the bathroom by yourself, will they? - Primo
We can barely get her in and out of a chair, the potty chair, and bed. There will be no way to get her in and out of a car.
I think there may be no alternative to calling 911.
- Me
holy smoke
I am sorry, sweetie
this is an absolute nightmare
- 4/14, 8:42am
Primo
She hasn't been eating. She's not getting better.
- Me
oh no
I know this is so hard for you
and this is so unfair for your mom
she does not deserve this
I am really angry at your dad for doing this to her
- 4/14, 8:44am
Primo
When they told me that her knee was hurt and she couldn't walk, I assumed that she was climbing in and out of the chairs and her bed on her own (or with minimal help), but that is not the case.
- 4/14, 8:45am
Me
yeah that's why I thought, too
she sure isn't strong enough for crutches
- 4/14, 8:45am
Primo
Or a walker.
- Me
oh man
that bad
I don't know
I don't know what to do
she needs to be someplace where people can help her
- 4/14, 8:46am
Primo
I don't know what to do!
- 4/14, 8:46am
Me
Would it be possible to talk to her doctor today?
or do you think it would be useful to talk to a social worker at the hospital?
I don't know how these thigns work 0=-
just wondering where to find expertise
- 4/14, 8:48am
Primo
I'm afraid that there is nothing between calling her doctor to make an appointment and calling 911 to be transported to the ER.
If we call her PCP's office, at best we'll talk to a nurse.
- 4/14, 8:52am
Me
you know maybe 911 is the way to go
this is really serious
it is not a good option for your dad to lift her and carry her
if she cannot move at all because of an injury
she should be in rehab
I vote for the ER
and you know I don't treat the ER lightly
- 4/14, 9:28am
Primo
We already called 911 and she is on her way to the ER. There was no alternative.
My dad talked to a nurse they know and she confirmed that.
The paramedics were very gentle.
I will head over to the hospital soon.
- 4/14, 10:15am
Me
Yeah I don't know what else you could have done
and frankly I am pissed at your dad for not doing this over the weekend
Your poor mom
she does not deserve this
- 4/14, 10:22am
Primo
I am at the ER with her now. She has a room and we are waiting for the doctor. She has an IV and seems more comfortable.
- 4/14, 10:22am
Me
your poor mom
this whole thing - I am so sad for her
but glad you are there
and making rational decisions
and making things better for her
- 4/14, 10:22am
Primo
With this new knee problem, I'm afraid that she may not walk again.
- 4/14, 10:22am
Me
she is lucky to have you
that would be awful if she does not walk again
- 4/14, 11:05am
Primo
The ER doctor (a young woman) is very nice and seems genuinely concerned about her. She immediately suspected a possible broken hip or pelvis after a quick exam. We're waiting for pain meds, and then they will take some X-rays.
The doctor seemed very unhappy after learning that (1) only the knee was X-rayed last week and (2) they sent her home right away after that..
- 4/14, 11:07am
Me
a broken hip?
this keeps getting worse
and yes, it sounds like the ER did not do it right last week
that didn't even occur to me
but then, I am not a doctor
it should have occurred to the ER people
- 4/14, 11:08am
Primo
A broken hip would make sense. She was in far worse shape than I expected (thinking that it was just a knee problem).
- 4/14, 11:09am
Me
yeah, it all makes a lot more sense now
but a broken hip is really bad
especially with your mom's general health
shit
- 4/14, 11:25am
Primo
Now I'm cranky and worried.
And I'm probably going to end up with your cold.
I didn't do it right by staying up all night.
- 4/14, 11:27am
Me
I am sorry, sweetie
is she at least feeling better?
- 4/14, 11:28am
Primo
Well, she just got morphine, so she will be.
- 4/14, 11:29am
Me
good
she has suffered too much already
this is so grossly unfair
I just cannot stand it
- 4/14, 11:30am
Primo
It's really not fair.
They should be taking her for X-rays soon. (The pain medication needed to come first.)
- 4/14, 11:34am
Me
It is making me sick thinking of your mother there with a broken hip
IN PAIN
yes pain meds come first
And Jack didn't even think that perhaps she needed medical attention?
(I am at the 'assigning blame' stage)
- 4/14, 12:33pm
Primo
Jack only came by a couple of times (once with Pia) while she was sitting in the chair in the living room. He knew things were bad, but he didn't know how bad.
We are waiting for the X-ray results now. She had some morphine before the X-rays, but it has already worn off.
- 4/14, 12:34pm
Me
I hope they will give her more morphine
- 4/14, 12:34pm
Primo
They won't do anything else (including giving her some nutrition through the IV) yet.
- 4/14, 12:35pm
Me
weird that it has worn off already
it takes forever for vicodin to wear off for me
I feel crummy for hours!
(how were the sandwiches last night?)
(and is your father expressing any remorse?)
- 4/14, 12:37pm
Primo
Well, it's worn off at least to some extent.
- 4/14, 12:37pm
Me
sorry
people experience it differently
and of course just because it affects me one way does not mean it will affect your mom the same way
- 4/14, 12:38pm
Primo
I didn't eat any sandwiches last night, but I brought one here and just ate it.
Jack had brought some Greek food, so I finished that last night.
- 4/14, 12:38pm
Me
I am glad you thought to bring lunch with you
- 4/14, 12:38pm
Primo
Remorse? No.
He has been caring for her full-time since Friday, but I don't know whether he sees all of this as "his fault."
- 4/14, 12:41pm
Me
and yet
it is - Primo
- They must have given her very little morphine. I don't think you or I can even understand her level of pain.
- I've got news for you: I'm cranky.
- 4/14, 12:42pm
Me
no I don't think so
and that is why I am so horrified that she was with that pain
since Friday
and your dad did nothing
You should be cranky
this is so much worse than we imagined
- 4/14, 12:42pm
Primo
I think last Friday was the inflection point that I've been worried about. I think the two of them will never again live without help in that house.
- 4/14, 12:43pm
Me
no
I don't think so either
I did just a quick look about broken hips
- 4/14, 12:43pm
Primo
And I don't think they will be moving into the "independent living" section of any retirement community.
- 4/14, 12:43pm
Me
your mom might need to be in rehab for weeks
- 4/14, 12:43pm
Primo
And she has no strength.
Maybe a residential rehab facility is what she needs.
- Primo
The doctor could not see any fractures on the pelvic X-rays (and she reviewed the knee X-ray from last week). So now they've taken my mom for a CT scan.
Even if no breaks or other serious physical problems are found, she'll be admitted because of dehydration. They had to use a catheter to get some urine, and her PCP will put in the order to admit her.
- 4/14, 2:08pm
Me
OK. She for sure has not been eating properly
- Primo
He was the first person to use the words "assisted living."
- Primo
- We are leaving the ER now and she is going to be admitted.
More later.
- Primo
We have no idea how long it will be before she is transferred to a regular room.
We have no idea when her doctor will be here. (Her PCP ordered the admission.)
We have no idea what the results from the CT scan were.
I'm starting to get very impatient.
The nurse just came and said that she will be served dinner here. I don't think she'll want to eat.
The nurse said that I could try to help her eat.
I thought she was here to be helped by health care professionals, not so that I feel like I need to take care of her.
- 4/14, 4:27pm
Me
Isn't that part of having someone be in the hospital? That you leave her to the pros?
Sunday, August 23, 2015
In which it gets even worse
- Things are still awful this morning. She has to be lifted in and out of the potty chair (and my dad has been doing it, because I'm afraid to). She needs to be in the hospital.
- Primo
- They must have given her very little morphine. I don't think you or I can even understand her level of pain.
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19 posts just came at once? Referring to something in April? I am somewhat disoriented, but, I guess that doesn't matter. Hope you and Primo are OK.
ReplyDeleteHi LPC - I had to close the blog for a month because someone tried to expose me to Sly and Doris. The most recent drama started in April, but I already had posts through August, hence the delay. These posts are not real time.
DeleteHow awful. I am so sorry all of you had to go through this.
ReplyDeleteThank you, LJL. Poor Primo is having an awful year.
DeleteI just got caught up -- I missed your blog while it was offline!
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry for you and Primo and Doris. I am not sorry for Sly.
Hi Lauren, Yes, Doris is the one who suffers most in all of this and she does not deserve it.
DeleteOh no! It did get worse. Poor Doris! She does not deserve to be in pain for so long. It's a wonder Sly didn't get tired of lifting and moving her and call 911 himself just so he wouldn't have to help someone else for a change. :( (I feel uncharitable saying that, but I can't imagine he was happy having to tend to someone else's needs for once.)
ReplyDeleteJessica, I KNOW! It's not like Sly is the type to think of others. For pete's sake, after 50 years of marriage, he couldn't even figure out where his wife's clean clothes and the clean towels go!
DeleteSo glad you are back and so sorry to read the dreadful news.
ReplyDeleteThank you, fmc. (May I call you "fmc" for short? :) )
DeleteNice to 'see' you again but I'm sorry things are (were?) so awful.
ReplyDeleteBest,
Stephanie
Thanks, Stephanie. Things are better now, but it took a good long while.
DeleteI hate to break it to Primo, but yeah hospitals expect family to help their sick loved ones with little things like meals. They'll handle the gross stuff and medicine, but meals can get traded off. And if it's a bad hospital, family probably should stay to supervise medical care too.
ReplyDeleteWe know because my maternal grandmother cycled from nursing home to hospital to rehab back to the nursing home for years.
That situation is resolved now (since February 2013). I don't know if the situation with Doris and Sly is resolved the same way; my sympathies if it did.